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Village of Maryville, Illinois

Description Caucus Minutes
Date2/9/2005 Location Council Chamber
Time Speaker Note
6:30:05 PM Gulledge Called the Caucus meeting of February 9, 2004 to order, and invited those in attendance to join in the Pledge of Allegiance. He then asked for a roll call of those officers present. Answering the roll call were Trustees Limberg, Schmidt, Callahan, Kostyshock, and Garcia. Trustee Bell was absent. Also in attendance were Clerk Long, Attorney Wigginton, Street Superintendent Mann, John Dutton from Juneau Associates, one (1) citizen, and two (2) reporters.
6:31:01 PM Gulledge Called for approval of the minutes of the January 26, 2005 Caucus meeting. He asked if there were any questions or comments on the minutes as prepared by the Clerk. There were none. He asked for a motion to have the minutes placed on file. The motion was made by Limberg, and seconded by Schmidt. Voting on the motion: Limberg - yes; Schmidt - yes; Callahan - yes; Kostyshock - yes; Garcia - yes. Motion carried.
6:31:35 PM Gulledge Reminded the group that at 7 p.m. the meeting would be stopped temporarily for the Special Board meeting to consider an annexation of the Webb property. He explained that he has asked John Dutton of Juneau Associates to be at this meeting discuss sump pump requirements and a few other items on the agenda. The Board has asked him and Kostyshock to look into sump pump requirements. He said they weren't quite sure what the Board wants. He commented that Attorney Wigginton wants to be sure everyone understands what this will require. He said he as he understands this, it has to do with storm water, and Attorney Wigginton has a sample ordinance.
6:32:55 PM Wigginton Commented that he made a rough draft of an ordinance amending the Village's building code, requiring a sump pump drain tile system be installed in all new residential buildings.
6:34:19 PM Gulledge Asked the trustees to take a minute and look over the ordinance, to see if this is what they want.
6:34:28 PM Callahan Asked Attorney Wigginton where this ordinance came from
6:34:31 PM Wigginton Replied that he created this ordinance, after a meeting he had with Juneau and Mayor Gulledge. They were going over a list of things that came up at the caucus meetings and planning commission meetings. It is some of the changes they wanted to talk about.
6:35:20 PM Callahan Commented that the ordinance states that even a single story residence will have to have a pump.
6:35:53 PM Gulledge Asked if Board if the would be more comfortable, since they just received the ordinance, if they took it home, read it and then discussed it in two weeks, or if they wanted to discuss it now.
6:36:48 PM Callahan Commented they could discuss it now. He asked if that is what the ordinance was saying, that even if there is no basement, there must still be a sump pump.
6:36:52 PM Limberg Commented that when building a house, the crawl space has very short walls, and normally the contractor puts plastic and rock to drain the water. He feels this should only be associated with homes with a basement.
6:37:03 PM Gulledge Responded that at the meeting on this two weeks ago, he asked the question if they were talking about all new houses. He was told yes, all new houses.
6:37:50 PM Callahan Talked about the Bauer Lane area, and the split level homes. He said the water table is actually above the floor in wet weather.
6:38:09 PM Gulledge Commented that when he brought this up at the meeting, a couple of responses he heard was if the Village really wants to do this. Juneau said he doesn't know of any community near by that does this. He commented that Wigginton raised a question from the legal standpoint. If the Village passes this, someone builds a new house, the sump pump was put in, and it didn't work right, could they come back and make the Village responsible. He asked the Board if this is really what they want to do.
6:39:26 PM Limberg Commented that they must be very specific when changing the ordinance. He doesn't know of any one story that needs a sump pump. He can see the need in walk out basements, or split levels.
6:40:29 PM Callahan Asked if Bell wasn't the one who brought up this. He asked why he wanted it.
6:40:34 PM Gulledge Replied it was because he received several complaints. He said he also received calls.
6:40:53 PM Kostyshock Commented that his subdivision covenant requires every house to have drain tiles and a sump pump.
6:40:54 PM Gulledge Replied that it is not the Village requiring this, it is his subdivision covenant that requires it.
6:40:58 PM Kostyshock Commented they should make all contractors put it in their covenants also.
6:41:15 PM Wigginton Said he agrees. It could be limited to living space below grade or more basements. He said he can't imagine doing this for crawl spaces.
6:41:34 PM Dutton Asked what the responsibility of the Village would be if they required sump pumps and it still backs up into the basement.
6:42:08 PM Wigginton Commented that because the Village requires this, it doesn't establish duty. He said his question is does the Village really want to get involved in this. It is a policy decision. He asked if they wanted to create a duty where they don't have a duty.
6:42:25 PM Garcia Asked if when a sump pump is installed, does that mean that tile must be installed.
6:42:30 PM Gulledge Commented they don't have to, but the Village will require that they do. He asked the Board if they want to wait two weeks, have a chance to read the ordinance, and make any changes or comments. It can be on the next caucus agenda.
6:42:52 PM Kostyshock Commented that if they decide to go with this ordinance, they should also include businesses.
6:43:14 PM Gulledge Said Attorney Wigginton has given them something to work from. This is a draft for discussion. He will make sure Bell gets a copy to look over also.
6:43:37 PM Gulledge Discussed the next agenda item, an ordinance on sewer tap on fees for multi-taps or commercial taps, where there is more than one tap involved. He explained there is a potential development that is not currently in the Village limits, but they are talking to the Village about a development here in the Village. In researching this, the Public Works Committee discovered some things they thought the Board needed to be aware of, and that could be discussed about possibly changing the ordinance in reference to sewer tap fees for multi-bed nursing homes and things of this nature. He said the trustees have a sample for discussion.
6:45:09 PM Callahan Asked what the charges would be if it was built in the County.
6:45:31 PM Dutton Replied he hasn't checked with the County, he checked with various villages and cities on what they charge.
6:45:34 PM Callahan Asked why there is such a difference between Edwardsville and Glen Carbon.
6:45:48 PM Dutton Answered that Edwardsville has raised their rates on just about everything. He said they are the only one he knows that on things like a nursing home, apartment buildings, etc. they charge taps per living unit.
6:46:23 PM Garcia Asked what the cost would be as it is set up now.
6:46:39 PM Dutton Replied $2000 per room.
6:47:03 PM Garcia Asked why cut the cost.
6:47:18 PM Dutton Answered that in units such as assisted living, there are not whole families living in each units. They don't have washers or things that use up the sewer capacity. He commented if a developer is faced with a $150,000.00 tap on fee, he is going to look elsewhere.
6:47:44 PM Gulledge Commented that they used these two towns to show how two towns can differ so much. He said the Village's ordinance is based strictly on taps and not so much on usage. In a bigger building it is more about usage.
6:48:30 PM Callahan Asked if these buildings exist in other communities. He said it would be easy to find out what the water bill was. The water department could be called and asked how much water a facility like this used.
6:48:35 PM Dutton Replied that EPA has standardized tables on how much is used in nursing homes per bed.
6:48:49 PM Callahan Replied in this case all that would have to be done is call and find out how much water they use.
6:49:00 PM Gulledge Commented he knows what they use, dollar wise, but not in gallons. He said he doesn't want this to be about this particular situation. He and the Public Works Committee are looking at is on this potential development, is a stand alone because it will be an annexation agreement. He is looking at a hotel, motel, or possibly another assisted living, something that comes along down the road. Will anything like this come to Maryville if they are charged $2000. per room.
6:50:30 PM Callahan Talked about when the CWBA was talking about building here. He said the Board vote was five to one to give the taller building a break. However the fifty duplexes would have to pay two tap-on fees per duplex. There was some controversy because of it. After that, he said the ordinance was changed to avoid having this problem again. He said for some reason, they decided, they didn't want to give the tall buildings a break. The ordinance was changed so that every apartment has its own water main and every apartment pays a tap on fee for water and sewer. He said at this particular time they are talking about sewer taps, but also it will mean eventually instead of getting $200,000 in sewer taps and $200,000 in water taps, the Village is going to get $2000 for a water tap because it is one building.
6:52:06 PM Dutton Talked about nursing homes, assisted living units. They have a small area to live in. It is not like an apartment house where there would be individual users. There should be individual meters on this type.
6:52:20 PM Callahan Commented again that it would be easy to find out what the usage is, because there are two or three of these buildings up. He thinks they would find out that the usage is more than it would be in a nursing home situation. He said the people live independent, even though a nursing staff is available. He said his question is, Glen Carbon will let this be built for $8,000., Edwardsville will let it be built for $120,000. He said this Board will have to decide first of all if they want to change the existing ordinance, which would require $206,000, plus inspection. If they decide to change the ordinance, then they will have to decide how much.
6:53:17 PM Gulledge Commented again, that he doesn't want anyone to be of the opinion that this discussion is about this potential development. It will be a stand alone when this Board decides what they want to do when they get the annexation agreement. This is about future things. In reference to the CWBA, he said there was nothing on the books that said anything one way or the other.
6:55:44 PM Kostyshock Commented that if they raise the price too high, the people will go somewhere else. Also, the Village would be losing future property tax, motor fuel tax, water and sewer, and people will probably shop in town, buy their gas, etc. He feels they should keep the price low enough where the businesses will stay.
6:56:24 PM Callahan Commented that under the current ordinance, the Village will not only be giving up $400,000, but also the minimum bill, which is $22.00 and $5.00 facility fee. When they do away with the multiple charge, they are also giving up the $5.00 facility fee per unit, the minimum charge for water per unit. He feels they are not only giving up the $400,000, but over a period of a couple of years it might the $500,000 or $600,000.
6:57:04 PM Kostyshock Commented that is what he is saying. If the Village would happen to lose a chance for a 100 room hotel, motel, assisted living, etc. they would be losing more than that because of the motor fuel tax, property tax, water and sewer, sales tax, etc., they could lose a million dollars over a period of ten years.
6:57:37 PM Gulledge Interrupted the discussion to conduct the Special Board meeting. He asked for a motion to adjourn temporarily. The motion was made by Schmidt, seconded by Kostyshock. Voting on the motion: Limberg - yes; Schmidt - yes; Limberg - yes; Callahan - yes; Kostyshock - yes; Garcia - yes. Motion carried, and the meeting stopped briefly.


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